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The Diary of a CEO with Steven Bartlett · March 11, 2026 · 1h 29m

Robert Pape

Robert Pape — political scientist, director of the Chicago Project on Security and Threats. Simulated the Iran war for 20 years. What happens next: the scenarios, the costs, and why most public discourse about war is dangerously uninformed.

Highlights

War simulations reveal outcomes that pundits miss
Pape has run Iran war simulations for 20 years. The results are consistently worse than what politicians and pundits predict.