The Tim Ferriss Show #800 · March 18, 2025 · 1h 4m

Ev Williams — The Art of Pivoting (e.g., Odeo to Twitter), Strategic Quitting, The Dangers of Premature Scaling, Must-Read Books, and More

Ev Williams — co-founder of Blogger, Twitter, and Medium. Episode 800. The art of pivoting: Odeo was a podcasting company that became Twitter. Strategic quitting, premature scaling, and why creativity can't be planned like marathon training.

Highlights

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Strategic quitting — Odeo to Twitter

Williams quit Odeo not because it failed, but because he lost belief. That opened the door to Twitter.

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You can't plot creativity like training for a marathon

Williams: 'You can set a goal to run a marathon and download a plan. You can't do that to invent Twitter.'

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The dangers of premature scaling

Solidify the product before pursuing growth. Scaling a broken product just breaks faster.

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Editorial

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Build products for yourself

Williams: 'I just build products for myself.' Blogger, Twitter, Medium — all scratched his own itch.

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Misc

✧Episode 800 milestone

✧Williams co-founded Blogger (sold to Google), Twitter, Medium, and now Mosey

✧Kevin Rose appears in this episode