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The Joe Rogan Experience #2447 · February 2, 2026 · 3h

Mike Benz

Mike Benz — executive director of Foundation for Freedom Online. 3.5 million leaked government files revealing how government agencies, NGOs, and private companies coordinated internet censorship. NATO's 'tanks to tweets' doctrine. How soft power replaced hard power after 2014.

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Benz's entire thesis confirms the MIT finding: the censorship apparatus exists because false narratives spread faster and institutions can't compete with corrections alone.

Highlights

Government censorship infrastructure revealed through leaked files
3.5 million files showing coordination between government agencies, NGOs, and private companies to control online speech. Starting in 2014 with Ukraine.