Odd Lots
Hosted by Joe Weisenthal & Tracy Alloway
Bloomberg's Joe Weisenthal and Tracy Alloway explore the most interesting topics in finance and economics — from Treasury market plumbing and repo squeezes to AI supply chains and shipping logistics. Known for going deep on topics most financial podcasts ignore.
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twice-weekly, 50m episodes
Episodes
Weisenthal and Alloway break down the rapid escalation of tariffs in early 2025 — China at 145%, blanket tariffs on most countries, and the unpredictability that is paralyzing business planning. They argue the uncertainty is more damaging than the tariffs themselves.
The hosts examine why NVIDIA's quarterly earnings have become the single most market-moving event in global finance — more impactful than Fed decisions or jobs reports. A single company's GPU sales now drive trillions in market cap movements.
The hosts present evidence that immigration was the primary driver of US economic outperformance in 2023-2024. Net immigration of 3+ million per year expanded the labor force, filled worker shortages, and boosted GDP growth above what domestic demographics alone could support.
The hosts examine rising long-term interest rates despite the Fed cutting short-term rates — a phenomenon that suggests the bond market is independently pricing fiscal risk, term premium, and inflation expectations. The 'bond vigilantes' of the 1990s may be back.
Weisenthal and Alloway debate whether the Fed achieved a genuine soft landing or got lucky. Inflation fell from 9% to 3% without a recession, but was that the result of skillful policy or supply chain normalization that would have happened anyway?
The hosts examine the growing pension funding gap: state and local pensions are $1.4 trillion underfunded, and many are using aggressive return assumptions (7-8%) that require permanent risk-taking. The reckoning will come as Baby Boomers retire.
Former Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo discusses implementing the CHIPS Act, bringing semiconductor manufacturing back to America, and why industrial policy is making a comeback after decades of free-market orthodoxy.
Former NY Fed trader Joseph Wang explains why the Treasury market keeps experiencing liquidity crises. The market has grown 5x since 2008 while dealer balance sheets have shrunk, creating a structural mismatch that the Fed must repeatedly backstop.
Weisenthal and Alloway trace the housing affordability crisis to its root cause: local zoning laws that prevent new construction in high-demand areas. Cities like San Francisco and New York have made it nearly impossible to build, creating a permanent shortage.
The hosts trace NVIDIA's supply chain: chips designed in California, manufactured by TSMC in Taiwan, packaged by companies in Malaysia, assembled into servers by SuperMicro, and installed in data centers across the world. The fragility is extraordinary.
The hosts trace the insurance-climate feedback loop: climate risk raises insurance costs, which makes housing unaffordable, which pushes migration to cheaper areas, which concentrates people in new risk zones, restarting the cycle.
Claudia Sahm, creator of the Sahm Rule recession indicator, discusses why her own indicator triggered in mid-2024. She argues this time may be different due to immigration-driven labor supply expansion rather than demand collapse.
The hosts explore the explosive growth of private credit — now a $1.7 trillion market — and why banks are losing lending business to private credit funds. The key risk: these loans don't trade on exchanges, so no one really knows what they're worth until they default.
The hosts trace lithium's price collapse — from $80,000/ton in November 2022 to $12,000/ton by mid-2024. The commodity that was supposed to be 'the new oil' crashed because high prices incentivized massive new supply from Australia, Chile, and China.
Weisenthal and Alloway investigate the energy crisis created by AI data center expansion. A single ChatGPT query uses 10x the electricity of a Google search. Big Tech is buying nuclear reactors, blocking new housing near substations, and competing with residential users for power.
Historian Adam Tooze discusses the concept of polycrisis — multiple interconnected global crises creating feedback loops that make each individual crisis harder to solve.
Despite rhetoric about deglobalization, global trade hit record highs in 2023. The hosts argue that trade isn't declining — it's rerouting through intermediary countries (Vietnam, Mexico, India) to avoid tariffs while maintaining the same supply chains.
Former JPMorgan strategist Josh Younger explains the repo market — the $5 trillion-per-day overnight lending market that underpins all financial markets. When repo breaks, everything breaks. Most investors don't know it exists.
Japan spent an estimated $50-60 billion intervening in currency markets to support the yen after it hit 34-year lows against the dollar. The hosts debate whether currency intervention ever works and why Japan tried anyway.
The hosts examine predictions of dollar decline and find them wanting. The dollar's dominance rests not on American virtue but on the absence of alternatives: no other currency has deep enough capital markets, rule of law, and openness to capital flows.
The hosts explore China's persistent deflation: falling consumer prices, collapsing real estate, and weak domestic demand. They argue Chinese deflation exports disinflationary pressure globally through cheap goods, complicating Western central banks' inflation fights.
Energy historian Daniel Yergin on how the energy transition is reshaping global power. Why the transition will take longer than optimists hope, and why oil will remain central to geopolitics for decades.
Boston University economist Perry Mehrling presents his 'money view' framework: money is not a thing but a system of interlocking promises (IOUs). Understanding money requires understanding the balance sheets of banks, the Fed, and the shadow banking system.
After a 3.5-year COVID pause, student loan payments resumed in October 2023. The hosts examine the $1.7 trillion student debt overhang and why the repayment restart has been less economically disruptive than feared.
Former FT Alphaville editor Izabella Kaminska explains why financial fraud follows recurring patterns across centuries — from the South Sea Bubble to FTX. Complexity, distance from the underlying asset, and social proof create the same conditions every time.
The BIS Head of Research explains how global liquidity actually works — why the dollar system is more resilient than critics claim and how central bank swap lines prevented a 2020 financial collapse.
The hosts explore the economic implications of GLP-1 weight loss drugs (Ozempic, Wegovy, Mounjaro). If 15-20% of Americans lose significant weight, the ripple effects touch healthcare, airlines, food companies, fashion, and even amusement parks.
Despite predictions of a commercial real estate apocalypse since 2022, the crash keeps not happening. The hosts explain why: loan extensions, pretend-and-extend, and the difference between a valuation problem and a cash flow problem.
Economist Isabella Weber presents her sellers inflation thesis: post-pandemic inflation was driven not by excess demand or money supply but by firms using supply shocks as cover to raise prices and protect margins.
Weisenthal and Alloway explain how Houthi attacks in the Red Sea forced container ships to reroute around Africa, adding 10-14 days to shipping times and raising freight rates 300%. They explore why global supply chains remain fragile despite post-COVID promises of resilience.