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Decoder

Hosted by Nilay Patel

The Verge's interview podcast about big ideas and other problems. Nilay Patel talks to business leaders, policymakers, and innovators about how they make decisions in an era of technological upheaval.

33 episodes processed

Host Profile

Themes
tech businessplatform regulationAI policymediaantitrustorganizational design
Style

Sharp, informed interviewer with legal training. Pushes back on corporate talking points. Focuses on decision-making frameworks and organizational structure. 45-75 minutes.

Known Biases
Skeptical of tech industry self-regulationConsumer rights focusPlatform accountabilityAnti-monopoly instinct
50 canon references1 curious2 novel

Episodes

# · Apr 20, 2026 · 1h 6m
Melanie Perkins

Melanie Perkins discusses Canva's dramatic pivot from a design platform with AI tools to an AI platform with design tools. The company is moving aggressively into enterprise, competing not just with Adobe's Creative Suite but with AI-native companies like Anthropic and Meta that are launching competing AI design platforms. The conversation explores whether Canva can position itself as the unified workspace for AI-powered creation.

2 novel1 editorial
# · Apr 16, 2026 · 1h 2m
Ronan Farrow

Investigative journalist Ronan Farrow discusses his New Yorker feature with Andrew Marantz examining OpenAI CEO Sam Altman's trustworthiness and public statements. The piece documents patterns of inconsistency and misrepresentation in Altman's communications about OpenAI's capabilities, safety priorities, and business model. Farrow explains his reporting methodology, the significance of these findings for the AI industry, and why corporate credibility matters when companies shape technological futures.

2 editorial
# · Apr 1, 2026 · 55m
Nilay Patel

Sony's TV partnership with TCL and the restructuring of the TV industry as hardware margins collapse and software/streaming become the primary revenue models.

2 canon
# · Mar 20, 2026 · 50m
Nilay Patel

OpenAI reportedly exploring advertising as a revenue model. Patel analyzes what this means for AI objectivity and whether AI-powered ads would be more or less trustworthy than search ads.

2 canon
# · Mar 10, 2026 · 70m
Nilay Patel

Patel and David Pierce rank Apple's 50 best products ever, debating which innovations truly changed the tech landscape versus which were incremental improvements.

2 canon
# · Feb 20, 2026 · 50m
Nilay Patel

Samsung's Galaxy S26 launches with a Privacy Display that limits screen visibility to the user and agentic AI features in Android that can take actions on your behalf.

1 canon
# · Jan 10, 2026 · 45m
Nilay Patel

Live CES interview with Razer CEO Min-Liang Tan about Project Ava, an AI companion with a physical presence as an anime hologram — and whether AI companions are the future of consumer tech.

2 canon
# · Dec 22, 2025 · 50m
Nilay Patel

Nilay Patel answers audience questions about his decision-making framework, revealing the 'Decoder questions' he asks every CEO guest and applying them to his own career.

2 canon
# · Dec 15, 2025 · 55m
Hayden Field

Examining the gap between AI company valuations and revenue. Anthropic and OpenAI are expected to IPO in 2026, but can they justify their valuations with actual revenue?

2 canon
# · Dec 4, 2025 · 60m
Hayden Field

Hayden Field profiles Anthropic's societal impacts team — a small group tasked with ensuring one of the world's most powerful AI companies does not cause irreversible harm.

2 canon
# · Nov 1, 2025 · 55m
Nilay Patel

YouTube is now the most-watched streaming service on TVs. Patel examines what this means for the streaming wars, content creation, and the future of video entertainment.

2 canon
# · Oct 20, 2025 · 65m
Prashanth Chandrasekar

Stack Overflow CEO details the company's existential response to ChatGPT: pivoting from community Q&A to enterprise SaaS, banning AI-generated answers, and building AI Assist.

2 canon
# · Sep 10, 2025 · 60m
Chuck Robbins

Cisco CEO Chuck Robbins explains how the networking giant is transforming to serve the AI era, from data center networking to AI-specific security and observability.

2 canon
# · Aug 20, 2025 · 55m
Nilay Patel

The story of how Obsidian's most passionate community member became its CEO, and what this reveals about community-led software companies in the AI era.

2 canon
# · Jul 15, 2025 · 55m
Nilay Patel

Data scientist Hannah Ritchie presents evidence that climate progress is actually happening — clean energy adoption is accelerating, emissions are peaking — but the positive story does not spread.

2 canon
# · Jun 20, 2025 · 55m
Nilay Patel

A media executive discusses how AI is disrupting publishing: AI-generated summaries reduce click-through, AI writing tools commoditize content, and AI search answers replace article visits.

2 canon
# · May 10, 2025 · 60m
Nilay Patel

Deep dive into the legal battles between AI companies and content creators. The New York Times v. OpenAI and similar cases will determine whether AI training on copyrighted content is fair use.

2 canon
# · Apr 15, 2025 · 50m
Nilay Patel

Hands-on with the Nintendo Switch 2. Patel examines how Nintendo consistently succeeds by designing for a different environment than Sony and Microsoft.

2 canon
# · Mar 25, 2025 · 60m
Nilay Patel

FCC Chairman Brendan Carr discusses the regulatory agenda for tech and telecom, from AI regulation to net neutrality to spectrum allocation.

2 canon
# · Jan 15, 2025 · 65m
Nilay Patel

The Supreme Court hears arguments on the TikTok ban. Patel analyzes the legal, technological, and geopolitical dimensions of the most significant platform regulation case in US history.

2 canon
# · Nov 19, 2024 · 55m
Nilay Patel

Creator Hank Green guest-hosts a conversation with Dropout CEO Sam Reich about building a subscription video platform, the creator economy's sustainability challenges, and why premium unscripted content can compete with Hollywood.

1 canon
# · Oct 15, 2024 · 62m
Melanie Perkins

Canva CEO Melanie Perkins discusses the company's transformation from a design platform with AI tools to an AI platform with design tools. Covers enterprise strategy, pricing backlash, and competing with Adobe.

1 canon
# · Sep 10, 2024 · 48m
Nilay Patel

Tubi CEO Anjali Sud explains why the free, ad-supported streaming model may be more sustainable than subscription streaming. Discusses competing against Netflix and TikTok for attention.

1 canon
# · Aug 27, 2024 · 43m
Nilay Patel

Patel examines the controversy around Grok's ability to generate non-consensual intimate deepfakes and the broader question of platform liability for AI-generated harmful content.

3 canon
# · Aug 6, 2024 · 50m
Nilay Patel

Cisco CEO Chuck Robbins discusses how AI is transforming enterprise networking, the infrastructure demands of AI data centers, and Cisco's $28B acquisition of Splunk for observability.

1 canon
# · Jul 16, 2024 · 47m
Nilay Patel

Puck CEO Sarah Personette explains the subscription media model built around star reporters who write newsletters as part of a bundle. Discusses competing with Substack, recruiting talent, and making media sustainable.

1 canon
# · Jun 24, 2024 · 58m
Greg Peters

Netflix co-CEO Greg Peters discusses the ad tier reaching 40M subscribers, AI's role in content recommendation and production, and why Netflix's gaming strategy is a long-term bet.

1 canon
# · May 15, 2024 · 55m
Sundar Pichai

Sundar Pichai discusses Google's AI strategy after I/O 2024, the transition from search to AI-first products, Gemini's capabilities, and how Google balances innovation with the risk of disrupting its own search business.

1 canon
# · Apr 23, 2024 · 45m
Nilay Patel

Nilay Patel breaks down the legislation requiring ByteDance to sell TikTok or face a US ban. Covers the legal arguments, First Amendment implications, national security concerns, and what happens next.

1 canon
# · Apr 5, 2024 · 58m
Nilay Patel

Alex Heath guest-hosts a conversation with Mark Zuckerberg about Meta's AI pivot, the future of mixed reality, and Zuckerberg's personal evolution from social media CEO to hardware and AI leader.

1 canon
# · Mar 19, 2024 · 52m
Ronan Farrow

Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Ronan Farrow discusses his New Yorker investigation into Sam Altman, the challenges of reporting on AI companies, and why the AI industry needs external accountability.

1 canon
# · Feb 20, 2024 · 40m
Nilay Patel

Patel examines the gap between AI company valuations and actual revenue. Argues that most AI startups face a monetization cliff: impressive demos but no clear path to sustainable business models.

1 canon
# · Jan 12, 2024 · 42m
Nilay Patel

Razer CEO Min-Liang Tan discusses the gaming hardware market at CES 2024, the convergence of gaming and productivity hardware, and how Razer is expanding beyond its core gaming audience.

1 canon